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Post by Rohr on Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:31 am

So the linework went ok, should have just used the 9 power liner from the beginning, instead of the 7 liner, wich was to small for AT.
After the lining, I did the sun, big mistake! The color got muted from the colors/black that i used after/later Sad
Do anybody knows how such will heal, when muted?




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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:34 am

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:47 am

@Ketchup Kid, if you dont even wanna get started, then why are you at all here?
Why dont you dazzle us with your expertice? I mean - judging from your tribal tiger and hardcore fist your truly know the way of tattoing.

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Ketchup Kid on Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:56 pm

no need to get all riled up.

aside from expertise, it just looks, i don't really know the word for it... gay.
this is on a guy's bicep right? well... if thats what he wants to spend his prime estate on

there are at least 2 things clearly wrong with this tattoo, that you yourself should be able to point out. not counting the thickness of the rope. in fact you yourself should not even be offended when i said i don't even wanna get started because you already know the nitpicking i can do if i started.

i do not truly know the way of tattooing, yet.
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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:24 pm

Thats exactly what he wanted, and maybe if you see the rest of his tattoo, maybe you would understand the placement and the size, but its not about that you stupid homophobe.

Their is nothing wrong with the thickness of the rope.

Well nitpicking as you say, is not the way to build an support eachother, and thats the fucking point that your missing.
And yes you dont know the way, thats why should shut up, course everybody in here can see the mess in this tattoo, and could do a nitpicking (your not the only one with two eyes, and the eyes dont lie) but unless you can help with knowledge or technic about how to solve it, then just shut the fuck up, and get back to the paperdrawing.

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Re: American traditional today

Post by head on Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:24 pm

again your line work aint the best...

on this the smallest groupin i would go for is an 11rl as i think trad work should ave a good bold out line as its the foundation..

the colour in the flower don't look solid it looks rushed also i wouldn't ave coloured over the lines in the palm tree with the green i would ave coloured each section seperate as it would ave looked better..

the sun should be ok as you just wiped the darker colour over the top you didn't put it in with a needle if you get me
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Post by Rohr on Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:54 am

Very informative Head, thank you, I think you are right, so maybe I should beef up some of the lines even more, when he comes back.
About the rose, you could be right, what I tried to do was to shade out the color in the end. Thanks Head.

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Post by marked 4 life on Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:08 am

head wrote:on this the smallest groupin i would go for is an 11rl as i think trad work should ave a good bold out line as its the foundation..
I agree totally and head knows much better than me, all I would say is needle gauges vary and this will dictate the line weight, for example I mainly use Powerline 1207 & 1209 rl which are long taper and give a tight crisp line, I also use Eikon Hydra 1207 & 1209 rl medium taper which give a sligghtly fatter line (the 1209 is really nice) and I also use Lockdown Needles 05,07 & 09 loose which give a huge, huge fat bold line, so just be aware that brands do vary.

What brand and gauge of 11 rl do you use head out of interest.

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:11 am

I use Cheyenne cartridge, everything was made with the Hawk Thunder.
The 9 powerliner is almost as a normal 15 liner and is what I used for the bold lines.
The thinner lines were made with a 7 liner (not good)

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Re: American traditional today

Post by marked 4 life on Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:18 am

We learn from every piece we do Very Happy

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Re: American traditional today

Post by head on Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:26 pm

marked 4 life wrote:


What brand and gauge of 11 rl do you use head out of interest.

the brand is pin up & always 12s

on this particular piece i would ave gone with a 12014rl
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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:35 am

Very Happy I thought he asked Me Very Happy Sorry M4L

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Ketchup Kid on Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:53 pm

Rohr wrote:
Their is nothing wrong with the thickness of the rope.

listen fellas, i'm no mr miyagi of tattoos but

you can talk about needles all day long but look at the outline.
the top of the palm tree lines and the outline of the rope upper right corner.
in comparison to the rest of the outline. my guess (according to what i picked up on this forum) is your handspeed, and angle of penetratration.

this mysterious guy explained how smaller angles leave bigger footprint. its inconsistent throughout the piece. no matter what group you use,

nevermind the other shit, at least look at that.

Ror maybe you are starting out and sensitive, and could use encouragement.
but i'm not here to put down your work, just comment on it the way i see it. i don't wana argue with you, unless you start playing Kojak again.

you could take what i say as useless. you can also think i don't know shit, but look at what i'm saying and judge for yourself.

the coconuts should be brown, some sort of contrast from the tree
the flower looks like a japanese flower while the theme is tropical, ok who cares, but then you shaded it backwards giving it a highlight where it should actually trap the most light and be darkest.
things like this you may want to think about.

but you are getting better right? and will start getting a lot better...


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Re: American traditional today

Post by Dmerit on Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:06 pm

I don't think its a bad tattoo,, I can see you used a thicker line on the outer edge,, so it does work,,not like KKK pointed out, not quite old school though.... the shading is OK too, its old school so none of that light source shit matters... could have been a little neater with the black shading but like said already,, its old school so its OK.. :-)
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Post by Rohr on Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:06 pm

My thought to Dmerit, and I want to beef up the rest of the lines when He comes back, and give it a overall touch up.

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Ketchup Kid on Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:12 pm

Dmerit wrote:I don't think its a bad tattoo,, I can see you used a thicker line on the outer edge,, so it does work,,not like KKK pointed out, not quite old school though.... the shading is OK too, its old school so none of that light source shit matters... could have been a little neater with the black shading but like said already,, its old school so its OK.. :-)

so you made me look again D but looking at it again, i don't see it, not on the stencil or the outline, as far as the outer edge being thick. how does it work if just one part of a rope outline is 2-3 times thicker in some spots than others? would there be a case where that is intentional? seems like a plain error to me. not a fatal error but still an error. again, i think it was inconsistent technique. you should be the one to enlighten us.

and wouldn't ignoring light source be a bad thing to do overall? old school or not?

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Dmerit on Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:01 pm

It looks to me like it's the angle he's taken the picture that makes the line look fatter on that part of the tattoo.

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Post by Dmerit on Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:04 pm

It's certainly different to the artwork.
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Re: American traditional today

Post by Mr.Martian on Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:18 pm

Re needles: I've been using Envy Traditional 9rl which give a thicker line than the standard one - they're pretty good i reckon! And using 9rs to get bigger lines..
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Re: American traditional today

Post by Ketchup Kid on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:59 pm

Rohr wrote:Ketchup wrote:



actually i don't know if the sun will only get worse. suposedly colorsbleed but as long as it doesn't pernetrate into the same layer, bled colors can oftern go away once healed.

i don;t know how deep or hoe exactly you managaed to discolor the sun, but if there is a chane chance it didn;t reach the dremis level deep enough for it to stay, it will heal away.

so i retract that statement for now. and only you will know after some healing... if you care to share the outcome...

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Re: American traditional today

Post by No Quater on Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:45 pm

Traditional means single pass lines, the(not so good) build up lines take the whole traditional vibe out.

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Post by marked 4 life on Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:38 am

Just put my finger on what looks wrong with the rope, it looks as though the outer edges of the rope were tattooed first then the inner lines tattooed after with a smaller grouping, when I draw or tattoo rope i do one knot at a time if you get my drift, it looks better and more precise in my opinion.

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:33 am

I did the same as you M4L, one knot at a time, but with a to small liner, I beefed up the outer line after.

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Post by marked 4 life on Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:20 pm

Rohr wrote:I did the same as you M4L, one knot at a time, but with a to small liner, I beefed up the outer line after.
Thats what it is then, dont be down about it, learn from it, every piece I do I look at and think maybe I should of done that part of it differently, and I do next time Very Happy

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Re: American traditional today

Post by Rohr on Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:42 pm

Exactly Smile

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